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¡¡¡Epale! The Official Venezuelan Thread Is Here  
User currently offlineOrl777 From Venezuela, joined Jun 2005, 176 posts, RR: 3
Posted (2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5603 times:

Epale A.netters:

It's been a while that we do not post a topic about Venezuelan Aviation. Incredibly, in the international sector there has been a boom of new airlines and upgrades of the existing ones. On the other hand, Venezuelan aviation authorities impose more controls to an aging domestic fleet amidst restrictions for General Aviation airplanes too.

International Carriers

The most recent visitor to CCS is Caribbean Airlines. They have added a daily morning flight to POS with fairly good load factors. It is rumored that they would upgrade from a DH8 to a 738 if the market demands so.

American Airlines, along with Avianca, are the two most prominent international carriers in Venezuela. In the case of American, they are expecting the authorization from INAC to start VLN -- MIA flights, (as well as Spirit's FLL -- CCS). However, the CCS -- MIA route now runs 2x A300 and 2x 752 daily. DFW flight was upgraded to a 752, but stills 1x a week, as well as 2x JFK in 752 too. MAR will also be upgraded to an A300 daily to MIA.

In the case of the Colombian carriers: Avianca is now planning to start CCS -- MDE -- CLO 3x a week in F100, and Aerorepublica is also seeking to add Caracas to its international destinations, they are just waiting the Government Approval.

Delta and Continental have also upgraded their flights to CCS. In the case of Delta, a 752 is now being used in its ATL flights (upgrade from a 738). Continental is about to offer again 1x weekly to EWR, on Sundays in a 73G. In the case of Air Canada, is now operating 4x a week, and the flight has no stopovers as had in POS before.

Latin American carriers in CCS have also upgraded its flights. LAN will upgrade in May LIM -- CCS to a 763 instead of a second flight, adding more than 70 seats a day!. TAM is obtaining excellent load factors in its CCS -- MAO -- GRU -- MAO -- CCS flights. Varig has also upgraded the route with a 763 from a 738, and has also changed its schedule from late at night to early in the morning in a direct flight to GRU. Aerolineas Argentinas stills operating the A310 with notorious delays (up to 24 hours!) 5x a week... 3x is EZE -- CCS -- EZE and 2x is EZE -- BOG -- CCS -- BOG -- EZE flight.

TACA is also opening a flight to GUA from June with an A319. Also, Mexicana is going to operate seasonal summer flights to CUN with an A320, both flights do not have a defined schedule yet. Copa Airlines upgraded the equipment to CCS with two 738s 2x daily. It is likely that will start with a 3rd frequency soon. On the other hand, Cubana has recently added the TU-204 in the HAV -- CCS -- HAV route.

European carriers do not have important changes. Just TAP which has retired the A310 to CCS and now operates an A332, and the possible coming of Air Italy to CCS from July to compete with Alitalia in the CCS - MXP flight.

Venezuelan domestic carriers

About the domestic carriers in general terms they are doing it fairly well. However, on April 18th, INAC (The Venezuelan Civil Aviation Authority) issued a decree in which aircrafts shall comply with the Venezuelan Aeronautical Regulations (RAV) 121 and 135, or they were going to have revoked its airworthiness certificate.

Airlines such as LTA were forced to retire its DH7 from service, although it's been said that they will lease another DH7 compliant with such regulations. AECA was also grounded and does not operate any flights since January.

Aeropostal is struggling to survive as they have to face a fierce competition in the domestic market, as well the late INAC regulations and inspections. They have just received the airworthiness certification for its DC-9-50, and it seems that they will put back into service more in the coming months. No talks about resuming international operations yet.

Aserca has also retired some airplanes from service and are going to be replaced with more DC9s! MD80 expansion plans seems to be frozen for now, and the merge with Santa Barbara Airlines continues by integrating several departments of both airlines into a single one. About Santa Barbara Airlines, they only are operating its international flights (MIA, UIO, GYE, FNC, MAD) with 757s and 767s. They are ready to start VLN -- MIA very soon with a 757 This, however has to be approved by the US DOT and will add another petition to the list between American and Venezuelan carriers. The ATR fleet has been grounded after the fatal crash in Merida, although is rumored that they will be back in service once checked and overhauled the fleet to comply with the new regulations, and also will wear a new livery similar to Aserca's current colors.

Avior expansion is quite strong. They just started the PZO -- BAR -- MIA 3x a week in a 737-200. Also they have leased in long term a 737-200 for social flights to HAV. Laser has also incorporated two DC-9-30 to its fleet (ex Southeast), increasing the frequency in the CCS -- PMV route.

Conviasa is about to start flight to MAD in June 1x a week in the A340-200. Domestically, they have retired all ATR42-300 from service and now operate the ATR72 type only. Several routes have been downgraded or closed, and its schedule now is pretty difficult to determine.

Overall, aviation in Venezuela has become a Pandora box. The aeronautical infrastructure is much better. CCS and BLA have been almost fully refurbished and PMV is undergoing a renewing project as well. Venezuela is doing great in numbers but unfortunately there's the never-ending problem that is stopping the domestic airline business to grow.

Saludos

[Edited 2008-04-22 19:08:44]

[Edited 2008-04-22 19:09:26]

[Edited 2008-04-22 19:12:39]

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User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 778 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5560 times:
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Very interesting and informative post, thanks.

One thing is for sure, with Venezuelan disposable income booming (thanks to oil and govt pouring money into economy) Venezuelans are sure traveling. Getting seats to just about any destination outside the country can be difficult particularly at peak travel times and when Vzlans are trying to exit to use their CADIVI dollars.

It is a positive development that AC has made YYZ CCS a non stop flight and dropped the stop in POS, makes the flight a lot more attractive. Having said that, it i a little inconvenient for any passengers arriving on the AC flight who need to connect domestically, because the arrival time is so late (2215). It is impossible to connect to any domestic destination until next day and staying at a hotel near CCS Maiquetia is extremely difficult and prohibitively expensive.

This raises a question I have often thought of: for a high volume route like CCS PMV, why don't one or more domestic carriers offer at least one late in the evening departure CCS PMV? Surely there would be enough traffic on later intl arrivals and late stragglers leaving the city of Caracas to fill one flight at 10 or 11PM?

User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 1985 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5551 times:

Epale Orlando !
Thank you for bringing this up. It was about time to have something about Venezuelan Aviation here again !

Quoting Orl777 (Thread starter):
Aerorepublica is also seeking to add Caracas to its international destinations, they are just waiting the Government Approval.

As far as I know there is a restriction on the number of frequencies for each "side". So far AV seems to use all CCS-BOG frequencies (5) from Colombian side.

Quoting Orl777 (Thread starter):
and the possible coming of Air Italy to CCS from July to compete with Alitalia in the CCS - MXP flight.

Where does this information come from ?

Quoting Orl777 (Thread starter):
They are ready to start VLN -- MIA very soon with a 757 This, however has to be approved by the US DOT

Which is very unlikely to happen due to the fact that INAC does not approve US-carrier flights.

Quoting Orl777 (Thread starter):
Avior expansion is quite strong. They just started the PZO -- BAR -- MIA 3x a week in a 737-200.

This is not a direct service. They have just put a Beech 1900 PZO-BLA to feed the BLA-MIA. Same thing as with PMV.
But they added a 5x weekly CCS-PZO with 737-200.

Quoting Orl777 (Thread starter):
Laser has also incorporated two DC-9-30 to its fleet (ex Southeast), increasing the frequency in the CCS -- PMV route.

And they say that they will finally add a third destination until June 08. (I put in the year in the date as this is very important in Venezuelan aviation !)

Quoting Orl777 (Thread starter):
CCS and BLA have been almost fully refurbished and PMV is undergoing a renewing project as well.

Yea...looks like the airport will finally be ready by 2035 ! In the time they refurbish this 1 Mn passenger/year airport they have built several totally new mega-airports around the globe. But this is because the legal problem between Unique ADC (the airport Swiss-Chilean consortium that bought the airport) and the GNE (Gobernacion de Nueva Esparta - the regional government).

Quoting CayMan (Reply 1):
This raises a question I have often thought of: for a high volume route like CCS PMV, why don't one or more domestic carriers offer at least one late in the evening departure CCS PMV?

Laser now has a depature at about 22:20.

User currently offlineYendig From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5515 times:
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Hi everyone!

I am visiting Margarita Island in October and am trying to arrange my flights so I travel on a 737-200 between Caracas (CCS) & Porlamar (PMV). Besides Venezolana, Rutaca & Avior are there any other airlines operating 732s on this route? If not, which of these has their October schedules published yet? Any information would be really useful.

Thanks!

Paul.

User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 2909 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5499 times:

Any news about scheduled passenger DC-3 flights in Venezuela? A few years ago you had a few operators like Servivensa, (...) el Sol and others (not to mention Rutaca who crashed a DC-3 and stopped flying them afterwards).


nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlineRleiro From Venezuela, joined Jan 2006, 243 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5482 times:



Quoting MEA-707:
Any news about scheduled passenger DC-3 flights in Venezuela? A few years ago you had a few operators like Servivensa, (...) el Sol and others (not to mention Rutaca who crashed a DC-3 and stopped flying them afterwards).

Unfortunately, there is no more DC-3 flying in Venezuela in pax service. There's a DC-3 based in VLN (Ex. YV-911C, Sol de America), which was being used as a freighter, but no further news about her. Servivensa airplanes are derelict at CAJ (Canaima) and PZO. Rutaca's are derelict at CBL, and AECA's (which was flying until last january), is now stored at CCS.

Saludos,

Roberto.


Cowards surrend on all fours, braves die standing on two.
User currently offlineOrl777 From Venezuela, joined Jun 2005, 176 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (2 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5471 times:

Hola Chiguire!!

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 2):
As far as I know there is a restriction on the number of frequencies for each "side". So far AV seems to use all CCS-BOG frequencies (5) from Colombian side.

Avianca is Actually using 6x a day on Week day (Monday to Fridays) and 4x on the weekends. maybe they want to negotiate with Avianca for one Frequency, they have the intention but nothing confirm yet.

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 2):
Where does this information come from ?

Really I don´t remember exactly, but is a major possibility because no one is flying the CCS-MXP flight, Alitalia Now only runs the CCS-FCO daily. If this is truth they started by July!

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 2):
And they say that they will finally add a third destination until June 08.

Great News for Laser, Maybe will open MAR again!! Excellent news.

Saludos!!
Orlando.

User currently offlineAer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 503 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5439 times:



Quoting Orl777 (Thread starter):
TACA is also opening a flight to GUA from June with an A319.

Interesting, any idea where there could be more information?


"Centroamérica ya no es tan fácil" // GUA is CAT I !!!!!!
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 866 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5421 times:



Quoting Orl777 (Thread starter):
TACA is also opening a flight to GUA from June with an A319.

I found nothing at amadeus.net.
As far as I know, the new service is rather TA LIM-GUA, 3x weekly and starting on July 01st.
However, passengers can match TA CCS-LIM and then TA LIM-GUA or the current TA CCS-SJO and immediately TA SJO-GUA and vice versa.

Regards.

User currently offlineRleiro From Venezuela, joined Jan 2006, 243 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5384 times:

Epale to all of you:

Quoting Aer:
Interesting, any idea where there could be more information?

This is a rumour from the INAC. TA has requested the opening of a flight direct to GUA, and apparently they've received the proper authorization to do so from June.

Saludos,


Cowards surrend on all fours, braves die standing on two.
User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1213 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5363 times:

Good we have our own thread now,

Quoting CayMan (Reply 1):
It is a positive development that AC has made YYZ CCS a non stop flight and dropped the stop in POS, makes the flight a lot more attractive.



Quoting CayMan (Reply 1):
Having said that, it i a little inconvenient for any passengers arriving on the AC flight who need to connect domestically, because the arrival time is so late (2215). It is impossible to connect to any domestic destination until next day and staying at a hotel near CCS Maiquetia is extremely difficult and prohibitively expensive.

The timing of this flight is quite devastating. I'll give you my own example. I'm flying AC from CCS to YYZ, departing at 00.30 and arriving at 06.30. I'm connecting later to FRA at 17.30 (almost half-day of layover). Then, as you mentioned before, it would be much better if the arrival at CCS would be earlier, so connections to domestic destinations can be caught with less hassle.

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 2):
As far as I know there is a restriction on the number of frequencies for each "side". So far AV seems to use all CCS-BOG frequencies (5) from Colombian side.

Hmm, interesting. I mentioned to Rleiro before that when I was studying Santa Barbara's and Avensa's past, Venezuela and Colombia used to have an open-skies agreement where any airline could fly freely between both countries. I never got an update on whether this actually changed but seems like it's no longer active. I believe that the lack of a real Venezuelan carrier ABLE to fly abroad is lacking in such a level that the government is just trying to bite their elbows and see what they can do to get back in the competition.

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 2):
And they say that they will finally add a third destination until June 08.

Laser? Interesting! It will be interesting to see them somewhere ELSE than PMV!

Quoting Yendig (Reply 3):
I am visiting Margarita Island in October and am trying to arrange my flights so I travel on a 737-200 between Caracas (CCS) & Porlamar (PMV). Besides Venezolana, Rutaca & Avior are there any other airlines operating 732s on this route? If not, which of these has their October schedules published yet? Any information would be really useful.

Conviasa has been using 732s in this route for the last months. Cybergus actually flew in a wet-leased hondurean aircraft (which was falling appart) last week... let me know the specific dates of your travel and I can help!

Quoting Orl777 (Reply 6):
no one is flying the CCS-MXP flight, Alitalia Now only runs the CCS-FCO daily. If this is truth they started by July!

The CCS-MXP is not really a big deal for an airline to start flying the route as we speak. Alitalia is going through many problems and many events that are unpredictable. The Italian government just approved to give them a 300 million euro loan to restructure and I wouldn't find too logic to see Air Italy flying to CCS anytime soon.

Cheers!


WHAT!? No! I'd rather be flying!
User currently offlineRleiro From Venezuela, joined Jan 2006, 243 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 5311 times:



Quoting Yendig:
I am visiting Margarita Island in October and am trying to arrange my flights so I travel on a 737-200 between Caracas (CCS) & Porlamar (PMV). Besides Venezolana, Rutaca & Avior are there any other airlines operating 732s on this route? If not, which of these has their October schedules published yet? Any information would be really useful.

Epale Paul!

V0 is operating two 737-200s which are now being phased out. The best 737-200 service that you can find in Venezuela is Rutaca. They have flights to PMV from CCS. Tickets can be purchased directly at the counter at CCS, or with your travel agent. Rutaca's fleet is ex-BA and DL, and they are pretty well kept, staff is really friendly and fares are reasonably priced. If you wish, please contact me or 797 via PM and we'll be pleased to help you.

Saludos,

Roberto.

Edit: Typo.

[Edited 2008-04-23 12:10:22]


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User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 1985 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5257 times:



Quoting 797 (Reply 10):

Conviasa has been using 732s in this route for the last months.

At the moment V0 does not operate CCS-PMV.

Quoting Yendig (Reply 3):

I am visiting Margarita Island in October and am trying to arrange my flights so I travel on a 737-200 between Caracas (CCS) & Porlamar (PMV).

Let me know if you come here. Maybe we can have a drink and make a mini-a.net meeting. If you need anything on the island let me know by PM !

User currently offlineOrl777 From Venezuela, joined Jun 2005, 176 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5246 times:



Quoting Chiguire (Reply 12):
At the moment V0 does not operate CCS-PMV

wow incredible!!! I never imagine that V0 cancel the CCS-PMV flight!!! but actually what routes is still operating V0? What Planes is Flying? I know they cancelled a lot of routes and frequencies. who can provide more info?

Saludos